“Oh, no surprise there. A pissed off Asian chick with a stupid chipmunk voice. TROLOLOL!” Welcome to the online world of Xiao Hoang, better known as XiaoRishu to her followers. 21-years-old and based in London, Xiao has engaged thousands of YouTube viewers with her quirky kawaii style and comedic vlogs and skits. Armed with her sense of humor, expressive face, and trademark infantine voice, XiaoRishu seems charming and innocent; a girl no one would think of has having dogged antagonists. Lately, however, Xiao has been embroiled in she said, she said cyberbullying incidents involving the controversial Venus Angelic, Venus’s mother, Margaret Palermo, and each camp’s respective fans. In spite of her fear of retaliation, Xiao spoke to me about her and others’ experiences with Margaret Palermo’s supposed cyberbullying, as well as discussing her own YouTube channel and what it’s like to be XiaoRishu.
Alan Van: Can you describe your channel for the readers who aren’t acquainted with your videos?
XiaoRishu: It’s basically comedy-related. I like to do skits and sometimes parodies.
Alan: Do you write all of them and do all of the effects and all that?
Xiao: Yeah. I’ve never taken media studies lessons or any of that. I had to learn it from watching YouTube tutorials, so I’m self-taught.
Alan: How did you first get started on YouTube?
Xiao: Originally, I made videos to entertain my little cousin, because she was always bullied in school and I wanted to cheer her up. So I started making videos and suddenly more and more people started finding my videos, and everything just sort of blew up.
Alan: What was the reaction from people who were blowing it up? What were they saying?
Xiao: They were saying how funny I am, and that I should make more videos and consider it as a career. That’s when I applied for a YouTube partnership.
Alan: Had you ever thought before that you would be known as a youtube content creator?
Xiao: Not really. I thought I would I actually make videos and then just stop a few months later. But then it’s been over two years now.
Alan: How do you enjoy being a YouTube partner/creator?
Xiao: It feels weird. Because I have a lot of viewers who are from America, most of them are from America, and some of them are from here, and when they recognize me when I go out it feels really weird because I’m not a celebrity or anything. So when they say, “Oh my god, can I take a picture of you,” I’m like, “Ooooo, what?” [laughs] I’m still not used to it.
Alan: I did read on your blog that you wouldn’t do a TV interview if asked because you’d be too uncomfortable.
Xiao: Well, if they did ask me then I would probably pee myself in public [laughs]. I always end up making a fool out of myself when I’m nervous. Id probably fart, and then they’d be like, “Oh, god no.”
Alan: What’s the weirdest interaction you’ve had with someone who recognized you in public?
Xiao: The weirdest was negative attention I got. I went out to Chinatown, and there was this bunch of girls, and they were like, “Oh my god. Look, it’s that annoying girl from YouTube again.” I was like, [sad sound] “Oo.” That’s the weirdest part I hate.
Alan: What did you do?
Xiao: I pretended I didn’t hear. I walked away. They were Asians as well – can you believe that?
Alan: Maybe they were jealous?
Xiao: Well, all the people I hang out with were black.
Alan: A lot of your videos are about race. It’s often a subject of comedy for you. Why do you think so many of your videos are about race and being Asian?
Xiao: Because of my parents; they’re actually pretty racist [laughs]. So they always teach me how I should never hang out with black people, because when my dad moved to this country he was mugged. Ever since then, he’s been scared of black people. But I grew up around black people. So I consider them as my family. I used to hang out with Asians, but they were racist against my best friend who was black. So I stopped hanging out with Asians. I’m kind of the Asian-repeller [laughs]. But I still like Asians; there are some nice ones.
Alan: So tell me about this whole Venus Angelic bullying thing. What’s going on? How did it get to this point?
Xiao: Basically, I saw Venus Angelic’s videos since my friend recommended it. And she [Venus] had a lot of these hate comments, and I thought they were too harsh because she was only 14 at that time. So I made a video, and I defended her, saying that you should leave her alone and stop calling her names and stuff. A week later, my video got reported, and it got taken down, and I didn’t know why. Then when I commented on Venus’s channel, “Oh, they took down my video,” I found out I was blocked. She actually blocked me. When I made that video, she said, “Thank you.” She said, “Thank you,” and then blocked me. What’s going on? And recently, with all this drama, her mom and Venus admitted that it’s because I used one of her photos in my videos because I tried to promote her. That was understandable; I was like, “OK, so I used their photo and I never asked.” And then her mom started calling me a fame-sucker and comparing me to Hitler, and I was like, “What?” So then after that, I started getting all these anonymous people on Twitter attacking me, saying, “Oh, stay away from Venus. Stop copying her.” Then they started contacting all my female friends and saying that they should leave me for fame; they would give them all the followers they need and all that. At that time, I still couldn’t think, “Who could they be?” until right after my friends were contacted, Venus subscribed to one of them. And I thought, “That was a bit suspicious.” Then they said they could get Venus to unblock me and all the other victims, and I thought then that this person must have a direct link to Venus, because everyone knows Venus doesn’t have real friends in London or anything like that. Then that’s when everything added up, and then I called her out in a video. I was like, “I know it’s you.” If she was really innocent, then she would have contacted me saying, “You’ve made a mistake,” but she went straight to “I will take legal actions against this girl;” so she tried to sue me, and instead of trying to reason with me or find out who the anonymous person was, she just…yeah. And that’s how it went.
Alan: How have her, her mother, and her fans harassed you? What have they done?
Xiao: Well, her friends at first–they took Venus’s side, and they defended her. But then later on, their comments were removed and Venus blocked them, so they started believing me because Venus blocked her own fans. They said they didn’t understand why she would do that. And this girl posted a video response to mine saying that Venus took down her video as well. This girl made a video response trying out Venus’s “Sailor Moon” hair tutorial–gave credit to Venus in the video–but then she told me that originally the video was taken down. And I thought, “What’s the point of Venus making tutorials if she doesn’t want people to learn?” That’s just stupid in my opinion [laughs]. And what else? Her mom bullied this girl called Kelsey. Her user name is KimonoTime. She has a glass eye, and her mom posted this whole blog making fun of her saying how she’s stupid and her glass eye is all “effed” up. She made fun of her. Kelsey even met them in real life at this event called Hyper Japan, and she asked Venus to take a picture with her; but then after that, Margaret pulled Venus away and gave her an evil stare. And then she muttered something in her language–I don’t even understand–it was probably like, “Get away from this beep.” [laughs] Oh yeah, and the stores that they stole from.
Alan: What did they steal?
Xiao: J&K Contact Lenses is a company Venus offered to review their products if they sent her free contact lenses. So they sent them to her, and Venus backed out straight away, and said, “I’m not going to give you a review until you pay me for it,” even though they gave her the lenses for free. And then there was a recent one called sassyNpunk, another store; Venus picked out 300 dollars worth of products, and after she received them she said the products were rubbish, and she said she wouldn’t review them. So she practically kept their stuff for free; she never paid back. So that’s why everyone started calling her a thief. And yeah. [nervous laughter and exhale]
Alan: I’m going to ask you to be an armchair psychologist. Why do you think they might have done all these things that they’re being accused of?
Xiao: I think maybe they see us as their competition. Originally, her mom used to make fun of dances, but I don’t dance. Everyone’s telling me that I copied Venus because of my voice, and I’m like, “What the beep!?” [laughs] Yeah, that part I don’t get.
Alan: You think it’s mostly a competition thing? She’s bullying girls that she thinks are competing with Venus in some way?
Xiao: Everytime–when she blocked me, she called me fame-hungry. So she thinks I’m trying to steal Venus’s fame when I don’t really care about her. I just want her mom to leave us alone, thanks. [sighs]
Alan: So what do you think of Venus’s videos?
Xiao: I used to like them a lot, until when her mom started calling her innocent – I refused to agree with that. [laughs] Have you seen one of the video thumbnails? Like the title says, “Wow, they’re huge,” and then it says, “Censored.” I’m like, “Excuse me?” And then there was another video called “Glad ur a Lolicon,” so lolicon–like a little girl involved in intercourse and stuff. Its like, “Don’t call yourself that!”
Alan: So do you think there is this undercurrent of sexual provocativeness with her?
Xiao: Yeah.
Alan: Do you believe them when they claim that they have no adult male fans?
Xiao: Um no, I don’t believe them. I’ve seen Venus’s photos on Facebook, and a lot of these guys who look like they’re 50 or 60-years-old, and they’re like, “Oooh, I could masturbate to this.” And I’m like, “Whoooah dude.” But you can’t blame them, because she was practically lying on the floor with her stuff showing.
Alan: What’s the state of your relationship with them today?
Xiao: I made a video to calm everyone down and tell them to stop harassing Venus, because when I made a video telling everyone that she blocked me, I didn’t want everyone to start attacking her. I just wanted people to know my side of the story, but everything just got out of hand. Everyone’s calmed down now. But today [this interview was conducted on May 24] her mom, she practically copied and pasted messages to me and all the other girls saying, “You have five days to take down everything,” and I just told her to explain why she stole from other shops, why she harassed all the other girls; and she starts replying, but she continued to reply to my friend who is actually the youngest out of all us. And she was saying how we’re all bullies when she started something. Ugh. I don’t know anymore. [laughs]
Alan: How can this be resolved? Where’s the end?
Xiao: I just want her to stop talking about us, period, because I ended this drama back like a week ago, but then she started posting more stuff about me, talking about my parents. I don’t even know why she brought them into it.
Alan: What did she say about your parents?
Xiao: I submitted a Facebook status saying that regarding all this drama I can’t help but just smile in front of my parents, because I don’t really want them to know what’s going on. And then Margaret started saying, “You’re trying to break a relationship between mother and daughter when you’re the fake one,” and I’m like, “Excuse me?” [laughs]
Alan: Are you going to respond to them anymore?
Xiao: Well, Venus’s agent sent me an email. She said that Venus cherishes her fans, she never blocks people, and that I should join them in an anti-cyberbullying campaign. Man, that’s like me joining a cyberbully [laughs]. Right after I replied to them, I got an anonymous text where they knew what I wrote in that email somehow and they tweeted it. That same anonymous person leaked my phone number and my location, and also called me a “chink” and “gook.” How could this anonymous person know what I wrote to the agent, and then Margaret posting to her Facebook saying that she could read all her agent’s emails and stuff. So I’m like, “Oooh, so it’s you, Margaret.” [laughs] She says it’s not her. I don’t really care if it’s not her anymore, but she has done a lot of stuff. Besides the fake accounts.
Alan: Do you feel afraid of or intimated by them in any way?
Xiao: Oh yeah. Well, not intimidated; I just feel scared. I don’t want her to run up to me in her bikini. [laughs]
Alan: I noticed that you’re on Twitter a lot. How does this work in your daily life? Does it come naturally to you?
Xiao: [laughs] Yeah, kind of. I used to think Twitter was boring. There’s nothing to do on it so I’d migrate to Facebook. Then I started using Twitter more because everyone was tweeting.
Alan: How do you see your relationship with your fans?
Xiao: I consider them more as my family or my brothers or sisters, so we’re quite close.
Alan: What’s your experience been like with King of the Web? I noticed that you’re on their site, and you’re #10.
Xiao: That was surprising. I didn’t think I’d make it to the top 10. Apparently, I won a package, but I haven’t gotten it yet.
Alan: What did you win?
Xiao: They said they were going to send me a bunch of packages, but I don’t know what’s going to be in them. I’m really excited just because it’s from America. I so desperately want to move there mainly because Venus is here. [laughs]
Alan: What do you want to do in America?
Xiao: I’ve actually been to America before when I was about seven. That was really fun. I want to go there to get into possibly filming or doing various voices for cartoon characters.
Alan: Tell me about your desire to be a voice actor. I saw that you were submitting videos of your voice acting to some event, and one of the judges was one of the Dragonball Z voice actors, right?
Xiao: It’s this event in Tokyo. They wanted international people to submit videos talking about Japan, and somehow my topic slipped towards KFC because I love KFC more than anything.
Alan: You love KFC?
Xiao: Yeah [laughs]. It’s like my life! I hope they feature me in the event. It’s around the 2nd or 3rd of June when they start showing. I’m nervous.
Alan: You’ve said that you eventually want to go into filming and voice acting. For you, is that the ultimate goal? Do you want to come off of YouTube or do you want to be a career YouTuber?
Xiao: Probably coming off of YouTube. I don’t know. I like YouTube.
Alan: So you think you’d eventually like to branch off of YouTube?
Xiao: Well, if I wasn’t filming then yeah, I’ll just stick to YouTube [laughs]. Directors would be like, “Lights, camera, action!” and I’ll just be like, “Uhhh, I can’t move.” I’ll be frozen. When you’re filming by yourself there’s no one watching you, and it doesn’t feel awkward, and you make less mistakes.
Alan: What can your family of fans look forward to from you?
Xiao: Well, I’ll probably dress up as a penis or something. I like to surprise people. Venus, she did a tutorial on how to look like a dog, and then I said I could dress up as a ball sack and look just as cute. [laughs] You’re not going to put that in are you? [laughs]
Alan: That “How to look like a dog” video was bizarre.
Xiao: I actually showed it to my mom.
Alan: What did she think?
Xiao: She was like, “Oh, crazy!”
Alan: When people watch your videos, what do you want them to take away? What are you contributing?
Xiao: I know if I can make one person smile then I feel good and lucky. Knowing that I can make thousands more happy, it makes me feel good about myself. Is that selfish?
Alan: No! That’s good. That was my last question. Is there anything else you want to add?
Xiao: I can’t really say. She is…I don’t know. I’m not allowed to state my own opinion. I promised my friends that I wouldn’t swear. [laughs]
Alan: You can swear, and you can say whatever you want.
Xiao: Have you seen her on Facebook when she was talking about this thing called a victim card?
Alan: No, I haven’t seen it.
Xiao: She picked it up from the police station, and everyone went crazy and they were like, “You picked up a victim card? That shows the real victim? What’s going on?” [laughs] She’s–ugh. She still continues to play as the victim basically. I remember when I made a video telling everyone to stop harassing Venus, and Margaret commented and said, “I’m glad you admitted that you’re wrong,” and I’m like, “Huh?” [laughs] She was like, “When I see you, come give me a hug,” and I cringed. I was like, [shivering sound]. This Saturday, there’s an anime convention, and apparently Margaret is going to be there, and I was like, “Fff–beep.” [sic] If she comes running after me in that bikini I’m going to run.
Alan: What else?
Xiao: Margaret is a liar. That’s all I’m going to say. [laughs] Venus had a live broadcast, and she told her fans, “Oh, this Chinese girl in London is bullying me,” and her Japanese viewers were like, “Let’s kill her!” and stuff like that. Venus, she lets them say those kind of stuff. If I saw my fans say, “Lets kill Venus,” I would immediately stop and be like, “How do you say that?”
Alan: That’s not cool.
Xiao: She doesn’t care. She wants me to die, that’s why.
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Wow, that don’t sound fabricated to me. Sad, when people especially mother and daughter are playing the bully game and then when they get hit back with it every one else is the bully!! Sick, and sad, that their making a mockery out of real life bullying!! Sounds to me like mommy needs to take a chill pill and daughter needs to know she ain’t no better than anyone!! That’s just my freedom to speak my own opinion, as I do when I read this.
sounds too fabricated.
I wish it was, but sadly all this crap happened. 🙁
Kevin Wang from Highvale Secondary College, is that you?
Xiao
Xiao is a bitch who was harassing venus by forcing her to say thank you and she got her at her wrists and she started losing hair and crying every night. This is not true what this fat ass hole says
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Dear Venus and Co.
Just DROP IT, THE WHOLE DRAMA is MEANINGLESS!
I have a piece of advice for you and your fans, as well as the “non-polite” xiao fans that have harrassed you who are in the wrong as well. (the polite xiao fans are awesome ^_^ as well as the polite venus fans.)
Look, do not tarnish your image further, I’m sure you have a bright future ahead with the support of your mother, so just drop this drama, it’s the internet.
It’s full of trolls, people with lots of time and poor vocabulary.
So simply turn away, be a bigger person, forgive and forget, it’s not a matter of who started it, who is right, who did this, or that. It’s a matter of stopping all of this. Drama is eventually forgotten, people will set their sights on some other bullcrap or someone else’s drama.
As for the fans (both venus’ and xiao’s), stop making the situation worse.
If for example Xiao is asking to stop, then stop. It’s alright if you defend your idol, but as long as you are respectful with the person insulting/bashing them.
Just because some idiot is saying stupid stuff in a disrespectful manner it doesn’t mean you must stoop to their pathetic level.
Trolls have no life afterall, and most of them probably live in their mother’s basement living off their parents till they can live off their children. (I horrorize upon the idea that trolls can reproduce.)
Anyways, that is my two cents to you. I am not in anyway insulting you or disrespecting you, or accusing you of anything, I’m just asking politely to simply put an end to all this as you have the power to do so.
And remember this is an interview, what Xiao says is not the interviewer’s words but Xiao’s and he is writting what she says.
Here you go trolls, you learnt something new today:
in·ter·view (ntr-vy)n.1. A formal meeting in person, especially one arranged for the assessment of the qualifications of an applicant.
2. a. A conversation, such as one conducted by a reporter, in which facts or statements are elicited from another.b. An account or a reproduction of such a conversation.
Xiao can’t get a man.
well you talk about her to much trying to say im over it leave venus alone but yet thats the only thing you talk about on facebook and keep in mind that venus wether she is a bad person or has not posted any ” new” info about you … and you guys should both stop talking about each other and say something fawking positive on yall”s blog that has nothing to do with your drama . Maybe thats how you would stop being harassed .Stop talking about it don’t respond to any hate mail about this and it will end but you no what you won’t thats all you can talk about find something new alright? Get the fawk over it and margaret too . two old people arguing wtf ?and enough blood parody videos about her ..you said a week before the vid you over it yet you made a few parody videos ..usually when you get it over it you don’t talk about it honey and you don’t do this childish shit where she said this no move on both of you …fawk
The movie about how overly friendly Kelsey aka KimonoTime is, The Cable Guy 🙂 Jim Carrey as friendly Kelsey and Matthew Broderick as quiet and shy Venus Angelic. Venus Palermo meets friendly Kelsey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-2neW5r9bI Beckii Cruel described Kelsey as overly friendly not me.
Beckii is not so innocent as you think of her. Suddenly Dansa who runs that cyberbullying blog and Beckii Cruel are friends. Beckii knew who harassed youtubers and never tried to stop Dansa. Her excuse was she didn’t agree with her and that was her blog and she couldn’t tell Dansa what to do. Lame excuse I should say. My friend is a serial killer but that’s her life, she can do whatever, I don’t agree with her but aside from murdering innocent kids she is nice. In my opinion every one who Dansa harassed was harassed with Beckii Cruel’s help, support, encouragement and under her guidance.
The auditions for Oishii were fake! Dansa and Beckii had chosen the members long before the auditions.
Friendly Kelsey knew she would be in. She was stupid enough as to tell it.
All of them in one place http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=a-IJc7i19HE
Friendly Kelsey, in need of somebody to love, performing. Media and Internet security policedaddy is also there. Attention seeking Xiao is the old Asian lady. I give credit to Dansa for losing extra pounds at the age of 80, she is the bald old man at 0:44 and the dance she’s going to show us is at 2:53 while Beckii Cruel is the one who is seducing innocent Venus.
Dansa runs a gossip blog. If you take it as bullying, then you need to grow a thicker skin. All performers and people who put themselves out there have to deal with gossip, you don’t see celebrities like Justin Beiber or Kim Kardashian running around accusing people of cyberbullying.
FYI, all these girls are located in the UK, they have a fairly tight network of who’s who so it’s not surprising these girls all turn out to be friends. And Oishii is not fake, they are still looking at auditions, even from girls in the US. Some girls were already going to be on there due to fame and talent obviously, but they did choose lots of newcommers as well.
And there is no such thing as “media and Internet security” department. That’s just complete bull. Go troll somehwere else.
i’ve been blocked by her channel just now.. lol.. i was just pointing out my opinion about her mom being overprotecting and teach venus things she shouldn’t.. come on, what im saying is true.. she’s 15 (i think
) and act like that.. seriously.. she will act like that until she’s even 20 yrs old.. she should be a teacher and tell venus what’s wrong and what’s right
I really like Xiao and I think Venus is quite alright. I think both are entertaining in their own sort of way.
It would be nice though if everyone (the girls, their viewers/fans, Margaret, etc.) would just move on from the drama though and just continue doing what they do best. I know it’s tough to just move forward since this all happened pretty recently and there are many accusations going around but let’s just get past all that and focus on positive energy.
🙂
margaret shut up you dumb bitch you make michael jackson look good. you gross disgusting pedophile.
“To end my little article, as people who know me know I like gratuitous swearing, I think VA and her mum should watch again her video “How to look like a puppy”, do that make up and stick a bone up their asses, take a photo and send it to a porn producer, they’ll be way more famous that way! I have a few phone numbers if you want actually….SPECIAL EDIT FOR BLOGPOSTAnd, by the way, let’s talk about her voice. WTF is that? It just looks like a girl from East of Europe trying to speak English like a Japanese girl with an accent coming from….. I don’t know, dogland!
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This is just one of the thing Xiao writes about my daughter. She deleted her whole blog and uploaded it on a french blogger site http://thetruthaboutva.blogspot.fr/ The whole thing is taken from xiaorishu’s blog.
And Dansa started to delete blog entries: http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.com/post/17764058290 http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.com/post/17578104754 http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.com/post/17610259207 http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.com/post/15604214978 exactly the entries where she says she wants to ruin us etc.
And I didn’t want to talk with Alan about cyberbullies, because actually I would like to be a happy, kind and creative person who makes the world more beautiful. But since there are still posts like http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.com/post/23684411807 (not only I should leave the internet, I also should close my mouth (WHAT?) ) and videos about violence against Venus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnYTuAK6ZU0 I am not sure when this group wants to stop. That Xiao now says thank you http://xiaorishu.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/thank-you.html and still has the page https://www.facebook.com/SPRINGROLLSRULE doesn’t help stopping the bullying against me and my daughter.
My first point is, that J&K never sent Venus lenses, but always changed her policy until I said NO for making advertisement for her. So she made advertisement for herself, including publishing our address on her Facebook and calling me a bitch. Since I have all the mails of our correspondence, I managed to defend myself to youtube and Facebook. I didn’t know she friended up with the bully group since then. I know it is hard to be recognised, but for instance Venus always wanted to be recognised for creative and positive things even if not everybody liked her creativity or interests.
Then it was calm, only a little bit of stalking from a group. I blogged then, because they linked with our names to webcam-whoring websites. Also included, that KT hit Venus and took her arm agressive, when Venus tried to ignore her. Venus was already scared by this young woman by her messages. So I blogged to make clear, that we were not rude, we just try to defend ourselves from stalkers and rude persons. I deleted the blogs because I got this advice from Venus management. Also Aletha’s mom was bullied when Aletha won Miss Guyana, so I took her advice. Just peace was my goal, even if they keep stalking and messaging me.
Now imagine following: you wake up one morning, and there is a video saying that you have fake Twitter accounts which you never had. (Exactly this day the German TV crew was in our home) The person forms an army against you (the Facebook page exists, collecting members. Big, red and yellow the banner: “Xiao vs Venus”). The director of the management contacts the persons, then she and also other workers of the company are harassed and contacted often by different members of the bully-group. The ladies start to stalk the director and other workers, to check if they can allow themselves more of the slander. More and more of this is coming while you sit in front of your computer, big opened your wondering eyes. You see people saying that you hack them, publish their details etc. I mean ETC, the list is loooong. You tell them, that it is not true. They keep on bashing. You call the police, you get a Victim Card, the bully ladies laugh. A company contacts you for a review, sends then most items with mistakes and says to you: “Sorry darling, I love Venus so much, it’s okay if she doesnt do a review. Don’t send me anything back” Then the owner of the company calls Venus a slut publicly, and says, you tried to hack her. Then you find out, that the assumed leader of the group is just forming a girl group. Then you find out that this girl’s father and assumed manager of the group works for the police, section “media and internet security”.I would like to mention, that Xiao was bullied by the same group – until the 24. May, when she officially friended up with the bully group. On the 27. May then Xiao uploaded the mentioned video. Big coincidence? I also would like to mention, that the evidence are anonymus accounts. They could come from the bully group or from Xiao. Because… all the “harassed” girls and shop owners have something common:1) they are close friends2) never met us really (hitting Venus while we walk away quickly doesn’t count as knowing each other)3) have the same interest: to be a singer, voice actor etc. Japan-show-business related goals.Again, I know it is hard to be recognised. But I don’t know any big stars, who are not real, hard working and very honest.And if she was recognised for being pretty … what is “That booty!” Who throws the first stone…
We got many death treads since then… Venus was asked! about it during her broadcast. She admitted being bullied. Why shouldn’t she admit it if it is true. She did it without publishing names.
My accounts are with my real name, and the reason I didn’t publish the emails etc to defend myself is, that I don’t think that private emails should be published. IF I would show them someone – then not for publishing, only for getting advice and help, like for instance the director of Lethal Management.
Every time I said, I haven’t done those things, the group leader answered: stop lying. Later they admitted not having proofs. Also told me several times, that they can do whatever they want and I can not do anything.
Venus is doing youtube since 2 years – since she lives in London, she is being stalked, since she went viral, she is been bullied. I will continue support my daughter and being strong. We have such wonderful friends, such wonderful management and FAITH.
I will not answer when the group members come and answer here. They have to stop bullying Venus and other for being well known.
Why you lying Maggie? The amount of proof against you is ridiculous and no one is going to believe a word you say. And I say that with good faith.
Margaret is telling the truth here. I’ve analyzed the Twitter accounts that harassed Xiao, and the time of the tweets was in completely the wrong time zone to be Margaret. Some were posted between 2am and 5am London time, and Margaret works a full-time day job. The English is also far too fluent for Margaret or Venus to have written it – as you can probably tell from the post above, they aren’t native speakers.
The only thing Margaret’s wrong about is the impression that there’s only one hate group with centralized leadership – Venus is actually popular enough to have several unrelated hate groups, each with their own reasons.
Dansa is too stubborn to admit she misjudged Venus and Margaret. She’s seen the proof that Margaret is innocent, and ignores it. Hoiwever, Dansa and Beckii’s idol group is a reaction to jrcach’s ludicrous attempt to start an idol group, and is not a deliberate attempt to snub Venus.
Xiao and Team Springroll mistakenly believe Venus and Margaret are harassing Xiao. (They aren’t: all signs point to the Twitter harrassment campaign being organized by 4chan trolls.)
Online store SassyNPunk has a genuine, serious grudge against Venus, after they sent her some free products for review and Venus didn’t like them. The store owner did let her keep the products anyway, but was privately very upset about losing what would have been an extremely lucrative advertisement for her store. SassyNPunk took advantage of other girls, asking them to publish or reblog negative stories to ruin Venus’ reputation. However, she intentionally neglected to admit that she told Venus she didn’t have to provide a review if she didn’t like the products. SassyNPunk also claimed Margaret hacked her, but her “evidence” shows that SassyNPunk’s computer was in fact infected with the virus two months before she even contacted Margaret.
I believe Kelsey and Venus had a genuine misunderstanding at Hyper Japan. Kelsey, from the north of England, is loud and outgoing, while Venus is quiet and shy. Venus evidently misinterpreted Kelsey’s loud attitude as aggressive and was frightened by her, while Kelsey interpreted Venus’ quiet and frightened attitude as rude.
“To end my little article, as people who know me know I like gratuitous swearing, I think VA and her mum should watch again her video “How to look like a puppy”, do that make up and stick a bone up their asses, take a photo and send it to a porn producer, they’ll be way more famous that way! I have a few phone numbers if you want actually….SPECIAL EDIT FOR BLOGPOSTAnd, by the way, let’s talk about her voice. WTF is that? It just looks like a girl from East of Europe trying to speak English like a Japanese girl with an accent coming from….. I don’t know, dogland!
“This is just one of the thing Xiao writes about my daughter. She deleted her whole blog and uploaded it on a french blogger site http://thetruthaboutva.blogspo… The whole thing is taken from xiaorishu’s blog.
And Dansa started to delete blog entries: http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.c… http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.c… http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.c…http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.c… exactly the entries where she says she wants to ruin us etc.
And I didn’t want to talk with Alan about cyberbullies, because actually I would like to be a happy, kind and creative person who makes the world more beautiful. But since there are still posts like http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.c… (not only I should leave the internet, I also should close my mouth (WHAT?) ) and videos about violence against Venus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… I am not sure when this group wants to stop. That Xiao now says thank you http://xiaorishu.blogspot.co.u… and still has the page https://www.facebook.com/SPRIN… doesn’t help stopping the bullying against me and my daughter.Because Dansa has to stop leading the whole thing, and the ladies have to stop jump if Dansa wants so:http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.com/post/23073343060http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.com/post/22989340050http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.com/post/21637052621I haven’t done all those terrible things and you can not, no, you must not say such things and spread them when I have not done them. It is dangereous that you make so many people angry and they might want to harm us. Understand, that I don’t have anon accounts to harass anyone and I don’t have moral, skills and/or interest to do all these things.
I support you Margaret. Remember that Xiao is only trying to hang on this controversy as long as she can, because she can see Venus is a rising star. Every celebrity on earth has wild claims made against them at some point by the kind of people wishing for fame and money but not willing to work for it. You have to be strong and continue regardles. Don’t look back, not for a second! Xiao is a nobody, she is lonely, she finds it hard for men to like her, not because of her ugly nose but her mean spirit. Whereas Venus is a beautiful and talented young girl. She is intelligent, well spoken and genuinely a nice girl The possibilities are endless for Venus. You have raised her well. God bless you both.
You’re joking right?
Ugly nose? Mean spirit? I think you’ll find that the one with the mean spirit here is you. Calling her a nobody and saying she ‘finds it hard for men to like her’ is just plain rude and has nothing to do with the current situation.
Please post something meaningful instead of basting your comments with childish insults.
I had to google Venus and all I saw was a friggin’ weeaboo. I don’t like weeaboos.
As far as being King of the Web, Xiao has been encouraging all of her followers to vote multiple times and even open fake accounts to do so, which is cheating. She is such a dishonest person I really hope she gets what’s coming to her. The authorities are involved already, investigating, so her lies are not going to work in her favour at all.
You are encouraged and allowed to vote multiple times on that websites, you get 10 votes in fact and can vote every day. She never encouraged fake accounts. You accusations are baseless and have no proof. Pics or it didn’t happen.
Please check how King of the web works before you make hollow accusations.
Xiao is such a hypocrite. In her last video she apologized to Venus and told her fans to leave her alone, and now she goes to the media and prints all this slander. Those snapshots of comments Margaret supposedly wrote were all Photoshopped. What she doesn’t show is the screenshot of her (Xiao) asking one of her friends on Facebook to hack Venus’ accounts. I know this for a fact. I was one of the accounts that was hacked. Xiao’s YouTube account has received a strike and was forced to remove her rants from her blog or face legal action. She is a liar and a fame-hungry attention seeking individual. Her videos are nothing but profanity-laced rants and she simulates sexual acts with stuffed toys in them (My Best Friend video). See for yourself.
The “hacking” you accuse her of is nothing more than simple tracking of IP address to check if those multiple twitter accounts came from the same source? Besides, she this interview occurred on the 24th, it was only published recently.
Nothing “simple” about tracking a Twitter account’s IP address. Twitter won’t turn over that data without a court order.
(While there is a method that involves linking someone to an image and tracing the IP that visits it, it doesn’t work in this case, since all the accounts have been abandoned.)
I think you’ll find this was conducted on the 24th May. Xiao also did not go to the media as I explained in a previous comment. Mr. Van, after having been intrigued by Margarets reactions to his questions about the bullying incidents, contacted Xiao and asked for an interview to discuss her side of the story.
As LaraC explains here, that was to find the IP addresses of the false twitter accounts who were harassing her.
Xiao’s content is being removed by youtube because certain people keep reporting all the video evidence. Strangely, ALL content that is being removed is video-evidence against Venus and company.
And finally, if you don’t like her videos, why watch them? 63,048 subscribers obviously like her content. But that’s their opinion, her videos don’t make her a bad person.
What’s up Maggie.
Not everyone who supports Venus is Margaret. You’re becoming paranoid, Dansa.
And not every person is me. You’re becoming paranoid “JD”.
Venus is not perfect, and her mom is insane with the way she blocks and threatens innocent fans or people who post comments she dosn’t like. But Xiao is just as bad, if not worse, because she is a 21 year old woman. To tell your fans to harass and threaten a young girl is disgusting, even if you are mad at her!
Xiao did initially do that, but after a while she ended up regretting her actions and telling everyone to back off. She also apologized for that too. Venus and her mum however, have not. Someone posted up Xiao’s cellphone number and all of Venus’ fan called and harrassed her until she was forced to change numbers. Never once did Venus tell her fans to back off and stop it.
I never once told my fans to harrass/threaten Venus, did you not pay attention?
Gorilla nose loves Ape company
Hurry up Mr. Van they probably start deleting everything now from their
cyberbullies’ tumblr. And I am not talking about Venus there are lots
and lots of evidences how they harass other youtubers.
Could Xiao
refuse to talk about drama like Venus did? Xiao was of no interest to
Mr. Van without drama and she perfectly knew that. Besides Xiao is not
very good at comedy genre ;( Xiao: She doesn’t care. She wants me to
die, that’s why. That’s too much even for a trash comedy. Mr. Van, did
you laugh?
Why would Venus ask her fans about anything? Did you
see Venus post anything about Xiao at all? While Xiao keeps posting and
posting about Venus! That’s how she seeks for attention!
Xiao and
her fans organized the group on facebook to harass Venus and Margaret
Palermo, they started the tumblr to harass Venus Angelic. They posted
the article on dramatica to harass Venus. By the way, they harassed
Venus fans and her agent there too. Xiao and her fans did try to harass
Venus agent. While Venus and her fans did nothing like
that!
Mr. Van watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuBjRZJUXVM Fan of Venus tried out her tips and
made a video to thank Venus. No one blocked her or harassed except for
Xiao’s fans probably. And that’s how most of Venus fans look like!
Alright I’m bored of paragraphing.
1) Dansa won’t delete any evidence so you have no worries about that 😉
2) Last I checked this was an interview, not a comedy skit. Venus’ fans do want Xiao to die, that was proven on Venus’ livestream.
3) You will see posts that Venus and Margaret deleted on Dansa’s blog (helpful little thing ain’t it?) . Some of which do openly bash Xiao, Kelsey and Dansa.
4) The facebook group was made god-knows how long ago, a very very VERY long time before this drama. Check your dates. Xiao herself didn’t post the articles on dramatica, it was obviously an anonymous person since all the people I’ve spoken to have seen it and thought it was funny. Which is what encyclopedia dramatica is meant to be; funny and making fun of famous people. So I do not know the identity of the person who posted the article, however I DO know it wasn’t Xiao. The only contact Xiao has has with venus’ agent was when Aletha Shepherd contacted Xiao herself if an (rather badly written) email about ‘joining up with venus to put a stop to cyberbullying’.
5) Okay? I don’t see how that’s even remotely relevant….
Define “being good at the comedy genre.” Comedy is subjective. You’re really trying to put an objective measurement on something that is entirely subjective? Really? I mean, seriously? It either makes you laugh or it doesn’t, but there is no objective measurement for it.
Then again, you’re one of those guys who like weeaboos, aren’t ya? So I’m not surprised. As for most of Venus’s fans (I had to actually google her, simply because she is effectively totally irrelevant in Japan), apparently they’re all weeaboos themselves. Gods… why do weeaboos exist! Can’t there be a law or something prohibiting stupidity?
Venezia, your proof is at cyberbullies’ tumblr. Mr. Van, go check that tumblr and hurry up they probably have already deleted all the cyberbullying stuff. Click archieve and read what they posted a few months ago or since the begining to start with.
I am sorry Mr. Van if you, by any chance, think I call you a liar I mean you have given the floor to a liar. Mr. Van, did you notice that Venus’ interview was completely different she answered the questions about herself, about her life, she talked about the things she liked and everything that kind while Xiao tried to seek for attention with the drama mostly?
Yet Mr. Van hasn’t informed the readers how Xiao calls Venus.
When did Venus tell her Japanese fans who lived in Japan that she was cyberbullied by a Chinese girl from London? I didn’t watch that livestream but it was a few days ago, I guess, when Venus finally complained about being cyberbullied. On the other hand Xiao has been cyberbullying Venus for a month or longer and Xiao’s mad fans, who threaten Venus and Margaret Palermo, live in London not in Tokyo.
Well, the hilarious investigation carried out showed that there were no proof any of the twitter accounts belonged to Margaret. Besides cyberbullies admitted that they lied about it.
Finally, all proof that Xiao hates Venus so much that she and her fans have hacked and deleted youtube channel of Venus friend can be found at Xiao’s blog. Moreover, Xiao and her fans cyberbullied not only Venus and her mother they harassed Venus’ agent and even Venus fans!
Dansa no Himitsu is not a Cyberbully, there is a rather large difference between posting evidence and directly bullying someone. Dansa has committed the tag to her blog so she can keep track of the evidence as it occurs, and so far she’s done a fantastic job at collecting evidence from Venus and Madge. The extensive collection is well worth the read if you have the time, there are some juicy tidbits in there regarding now-deleted posts from both Venus and Madge which you may find interesting to read.
Xiao has never ever hacked/bullied/threatened/made false accounts to/about anyone. While Xiao encourages her fans to leave Venus alone and to avoid posting malicious comments on her page, she cannot control them. Her fans do what they wish and I’m afraid to say some of them do become obsessive and some do post hurtful things about Venus and Madge. But that’s the same for both sides. There are Venus fans that called Xiao an ‘Anti-white bigot’ and a ‘chink/gook’ which is not only terribly racist but downright rude too. Therefore, both parties are to blame for that one.
It’s important to remember that Xiao is not Xiao’s fans and Venus is not Venus’ fans.
Xiao posts in her videos, fb updates and blog updates that she does not wish for her fans to continue harassing Venus. However, you don’t see Venus posting that she wishes her fans to not harass Xiao, do you? Takes two to tango.
Xiao has also never harassed Venus’ agent.
Regarding your allegation that Xiao tried to ‘seek attention for the drama mostly’, take a look at the questions Mr. Van asked Xiao. They were about the incident, therefore Xiao talked about the incident. Mr. Van organized this interview with Xiao because after talking to Madge on Venus’ interview and witnessing her reaction, I’d assume he became curious as to the other side of the story so he contacted Xiao for an interview.
Xiao in no way saw this coming, nor did she ask for it to happen.
It might be hard for you to take in but it’s the truth. Venus has no evidence of Xiao, Dansa or Kimonotime doing any of the things she says they’re doing, yet Dansa, Xiao and Kelsey have page upon page of screenshots openly bashing Kimonotime, Xiao and Slandering Dansa.
You can’t deny that Madge and Venus are standing on a bit of a wobbly platform…
You’re really stupid, aren’t you? All you do is suck up to Venus and her mom. Despite the fact that they’ve even blocked some of their own fans who defended them during the whole situation. And it’s pretty obvious that you stalk Xiao’s social networking sites. How else would you end up here just a few hours after this article was released?
Xiao’s fans are paranoid 😉 I saw your stalkers’ comments with this link on VA’s youtube along with your other comments where you called Venus a whore!
Now what you’re doing is; lumping a group of people together based on the actions of a few others. Which is a horrible thing to do.
Most Xiao fans are polite and respectful and adhere to Xiao’s encouragement to stop posting hurtful things about Venus and co. Whereas there are some people who feel they need to take things into their own hands and make everyone else look bad.
I like to think I’m a polite Xiao-fan. venus’ content never appealed to me. I have read both sides of the story and frankly, I think Venus’ evidence against Xiao is very very very much lacking.
Exactly. My own account was hacked by Xiao’s accomplice. The screenshot of Xiao asking him to do so is on venus’ facebook.
I didn’t know your account could be hacked by tracing IP address. You must have one weird as heck computer. Stop lying, not everyone is a delusional twatfist like you are.
I know that screenshot 🙂 And I think you’ll find the man Xiao was asking to ‘HACK’ your account was actually someone offering to find the IP addresses of the people who made false accounts on twitter to harass her.
Check yourself before you Wreck yourself.
First of all, I never asked anyone to hack YOU! I asked someone to track the IP address of the anonymous person who was harrassing me on Twitter. NOT YOU FFS. Sorry, but not everything is about you. Unless you’re scared of everyone finding out that those fake accounts are infact yours. Either your English isn’t that good, or you’re just a real b*tch for accusing me of something stupid.
Screenshots are such reliable evidence, aren’t they? Nobody could ever fake a screenshot with photoshop… my god you bloody weeaboos… someone purge you lot already.
I don’t know why you judge ‘weeaboos’ that harshly. Just because they are very interested in Japanese culture and all doesn’t mean that they’re automatically bad people. Maybe some of the things a number of them do give people like you and me secondhand embarrassment but to go to the extremes of saying they should be purged? Jesus. Makes me curious to know how their interest in Japan has hurt you. Just saying.
So her Japanese fans lived in Japan, now that’s totally unexpected. What, all 5 of them? She’s a nobody in Japan, get that into your head weeaboo.
So much lie in one article! you must be proud of yourself Alan Van!
Alan, can you please tell your readers how Xiao call a 15 year old girl
on her blog? Xiao calls Venus a penis and it’s not cyberbullying, right?
It was Xiao encouraged her fans to threaten Venus and Margaret’s lives.
There were hundreds of comments on Venus Angelic’s youtube, facebook,
etc where Xiao and her fans threatened to kill Venus and her mother! It
was Xiao and her fans harassed Venus with name-calling, even rape
threats and other disgusting things Xiao and her fans said about Venus
while she kept silent. And Yes, Xiao has lots and lots of fake accounts to
cyberbully Venus and Margaret Palermo and everyone who is associated
with them. Xiao and her fans even hacked and deleted youtube channel of Venus’ friend! Now Xiao plays the victim, that’s funny.
Xiao achieved what she wanted when she started spreading lies
about Venus and Margaret Palermo. She got her 15 minutes of fame. Good
of you Xiao!
I think you are very,very, VERY much mistaken. You should definitely consider the consequences before posting such bullsh*ttery.
Xiao has never, and will never encourage her fans to harass, threaten, publicly embarrass or otherwise slander any other person on this planet. Venus, on the other hand, told her fans on her livestream she was being bullied by ‘a chinese girl in London’ at which point, many Venus-fans became outraged and said things like ‘let’s kill her!’ Did Venus say anything to stop them? Nope.
Secondly, Xiao has never herself done any of the above, Venus and her mother lied about saying Xiao sent them death threats. Xiao actually encourages her fans to LEAVE VENUS ALONE.
Thirdly, Xiao has no false accounts nor does she have time to make said false accounts. Investigations carried out have shown that in fact, Margaret Palermo has made several false accounts on Twitter to post Xiao’s personal information so that Venus-fans can contact her. Which is both illegal and immoral.
Finally, Xiao has never hacked or deleted anybody’s youtube nor has she encouraged any of her fans to hack anyone’s youtube channel. Please show proof before you post such heinous allegations.
Here’s my proof; http://dansanohimitsu.tumblr.com/tagged/janispalmeron
Have a nice day.
I forgot to add; Don’t be hating on Mr. Van for making this interview, he merely wrote down exactly what Xiao said in reply to his questions. He took the time to write all this up so people would hear Xiao’s side of the story. I think you have been very rude to be calling his article lies.
You do realize there are other people who have witnessed what happened, don’t you? We see the posts go up, we see them taken down, we see their authors act like they never existed. Don’t be stupid.
Next time it happens, then take a screenshot and save it. So far you’ve done nothing but make baseless accusations.
You shut the fuck up right now. Xiao wouldn’t do that shit. And if she did, that would be a good thing. Venus’s videos are fucking garbage and she barely has any fucking fans. There are so many dislikes and negative comments on that dumb butt-ugly bitch’s page. She deserves to die. Venus and her piece of shit, lowlife money hungry mom should walk off the face of the Earth because they’re nothing good except making retarded ass videos and wanting money. They don’t deserve to get respect and they definitely don’t deserve money either. All they’re good for is being whores. You do not have any evidence of that bullshit, there’s actual evidence– much evidence of that ugly twat and wrinkly mom bullying them all. It’s all of them against VA and the other bitch. MARGARET, IF THAT’S YOU, GET A REAL FUCKING LIFE AND DROP IT. VENUS WILL NEVER BE RESPECTED THE WAY A ROLE MODEL SHOULD, BOTH OF YOU BURN IN HELL. And in case you think this is one of “Xiao’s” fake accounts, we can take this shit to Facebook or Twitter. You name it, I’m fucking ready for it.
Xiao is really obsessed with Venus.
She has a blog about Venus, where she goes on and on about how she is “over” her issues with Venus.
Venus, Venus, Venus.
Evidence and obsession are two different things, stupid.
Xiao loves muh dik
Remember that ‘my tram experience’ video that went viral around the web?
I remember that too… I’m glad that terribly and publicly racist woman is locked up now 🙂
whatever you negro lover. and tell xiao she’s not welcome anymore
I love all people, no matter their race.
A person is a person regardless of their colour, background, nationality or family.
I won’t be telling anyone, especially someone who was born and raised in the UK that they’re not welcome anymore.
It’s disrespectful and highly racist.
Have a nice day 🙂
maybe muh dik will penetrate your useless eye socket
well you talk about her to much trying to say im over it leave venus alone but yet thats the only thing you talk about on facebook and keep in mind that venus wether she is a bad person or has not posted any ” new” info about you … and you guys should both stop talking about each other and say something fawking positive on yall”s blog that has nothing to do with your drama . Maybe thats how you would stop being harassed .Stop talking about it don’t respond to any hate mail about this and it will end
but you no what you won’t thats all you can talk about
find something new alright? Get the fawk over it and margaret too . two old people arguing wtf ?
and enough blood parody videos about her ..you said a week before the vid you over it yet you made a few parody videos ..usually when you get it over it you don’t talk about it honey and you don’t do this childish shit where she said this no move on both of you …
fawk
oh geez
I hope Xiao does more interviews 🙂 Thank you for interviewing her, she really deserves it, especially after what she’s been put through!
She wasn’t put through anything. She was the one harassing Venus and hacking her fans accounts, including mine.
I guess getting so many harassing calls on a cellphone until you’re forced to change it isn’t “being put through anything”. By that logic, neither was Venus.
YAY XIAORISHU!
I like Xiao, she so funny 😀
I liked Venus when i first saw her videos, but now… she so weird -.-
bit of a morbid note to end on :/ still there maybe one wants her dead but theres a thousand and one wants her alive