Motherf**kin’ boss Laci Green took to Twitter this morning to call Amtrak out on blocking her website and sex positive discussion channel but not other YouTube videos, and ask what could be done about it. The train company was fairly unhelpful when responding, which is somewhat to be expected in Twitter customer service exchanges.
Even though Amtrak blocking Laci’s work is certainly curious, it was a harmless enough exchange.
And then, for some perplexing reason, Phil DeFranco decided to jump in.
And then, naturally:
Phil then accused Laci of deleting her “overreacting tweet.”
Don’t worry, Phil! Allow us to redirect your attention up to the very first tweet Laci sent to you:
Fortunately, we watched this conversation play out in real time and, as of this posting (and certainly as of the time Phil tweeted his outrage), that is the only tweet Laci has deleted in the conversation. And yes, how dare she calmly state how she’s feeling after someone else jumped into a conversation about her attempting to do work on a train and, y’know, trivialized her concerns.
Laci, being Laci, tried to smooth the whole thing over.
But:
Guess some disagreements are just too important to be swept under the rug. Stand up for what you believe in, right? Or…something. What was the point of any of this? Well, it’s hard to say.
But what makes this whole thing even more interesting is that Discovery Digital Networks owns both SourceFed and The Philip DeFranco Show along with DNews, where Laci Green is a host. So Phil not only just publicly burned (or attempted to burn, really; it was more like throwing a sparkler that fizzles out before it reaches its destination) a fellow YouTuber, but a fellow employee. Wonder how that’ll play out for him.
We reached out to both DDN and Amtrak (which was what we were originally looking into before this whole DeFranco derailment occurred), but neither have commented.
(Disclaimer, our Editor-in-Chief, Logan Rapp, and staff writer Sara Parra are former SourceFed employees.)
Also, I like how none of these Philly D defenders have pointed out that he replied about five times in a row to her, each one getting more aggressive, and then when she finally responded, he had the nerve to say “blocking you before this gets out of hand.” It’s so typical, and so typical that his male fans would respond that she is overreacting and he was just kidding while ignoring his tone and aggressiveness (as seen, again, by the number of times he replied to her before she even got a chance to respond). I DON’T KNOW WHO LACI GREEN IS. I WAS a fan of Phil before this. But this is such a common behavior among a certain type. And he perfectly fits that mold. Just gross.
I repeat again. She’s fat, unattractive, irrational, shrill, histrionic, not funny and generally pathetic.
I’m a fan of Phil but he kinda acted a fool on this one.
On the other hand a company deciding to block this or that youtube channel on their network isn’t “censorship”. Americans seem to have a real hard time understanding what censorship is.
The government stepping in and somehow shutting you down and/or punishing you for your speech is censorship. A company wanting to block sexual content on their network is not.
In Phil’s defense, that’s just really his style of humor. He’s a dick, but it’s always tongue and cheek. Now, if anyone follows Laci Green across social media, or even paruses her tumblr, you’ll find many glaring inconsistencies. Namely, she professes to be a feminist on the grounds of equality for both genders without bias, but she frequently betrays that admission with her activities on-line. I’ve also heard from a friend who is a Youtuber that there is this general understanding that she is an incredibly dramatic person who takes umbrage over the slightest offense making every issue she’s involved with solely her issue. Who knows what kind of things they know about one another.
I don’t know. None of us really does. It is plainly obvious that Laci can be very hypocritcal and very dramatic and very stupid and foolish. Phil can be too, but Phil has a reputation for calling bull-shit bull-shit. There’s a reason he separated himself from Maker stuidos and the Station early on. He’s a man of principle, and while he’s flawed and prone to all manner of mistakes, I definitely think he came out of this little scuffle ahead. I know people who seem to be like Laci – dramatic, binary thinkers. They’re insufferable. Phil is nothing if not temperate and open-minded.
Philip DeFranco has peaked in my estimation. Laci continually turns utter non events into some melodramatic anti “her” thing. Stop being so obtuse, put down the victim card and get a grip. So Much love for Phil using his public influence to speak out on something that is now becoming a media and attention lure for Laci.
As Laci said, she felt het “concerns were being minimized” (he WAS doing that! but Phil said he did it as a joke). The thing is, when your friend doesn’t understand your joke and is hurt by it, you apologize, you dont start shouting “EVERYTHING IS A WAR WITH YOU!! YOU FAKE WOMAN VICTIM” or whatever. Laci replied so calmly, Phil…not so much, very dissapointed in him tbh
Oh, please. Their back and forth was parallel, with him being more blunt and direct as usual, and her being passive aggressive and playing the victim as usual. She minimized her own damn concerns the minute she went on Twitter and publicly tried to take Amtrak to task for her lack of access to her website and clearly narcissistic pondering of why Amtrak was out to get just her… she must be so important. I followed him back, just because of this back and forth. She’s a bad feminist, and she ruins it for the bunch
Bias article is bias.
BiasED article is biasED. Go back to school, kid.
It was a quote, so I should have put “Bias article is bias.” because I was quoting another person.
Also shave your creepy mustache you old ass pedophile looking cunt..
I understand sex ed and pornography are different, however I side with Phil when he said it was a matter of keywords. Im sure they blocked certain keywords like “sex” “vagina” “penis” etc and that’s why her channel and website were blocked by default. Im sure it was frustrating, but there was no reason for her to go saying it was censoring her and youtubers and sex positive education. If I was Phil tho, I wouldnt even bother on getting involved. Some people will believe however they want.
I dunno, I don’t really agree with Laci on some things but it’s clear she just misunderstood the joke…sometimes stuff doesn’t come across on the internet?
Every single person defending Laci is a female. Not only are they female, but they paint her to be such a victim, totally oblivious to the possibility of a notion that Phil is joking and humor is accepted in society. Having watched Laci’s videos, it wouldn’t be above her to equate this to rape. When Sam Pepper got called out, a lot of his immature fans flooded Laci’s page and I kind of respected her slightly for a moment. Then I realized that she is just another girl perpetuating this victim mentality. Thats fine, perpetuate the victim card, but the worst part about these types of women are that they are completely closed to the idea that they’re being sensitive or in any way misunderstanding the issue.
Obvious misogynist is obvious.
Personally, I think that Phill’s joke was ill worded, but they’re friends. If this kind of thing happens because you are friends I personally wonder what Laci Green’s enemies look like. She deleted the joke in question which is odd. If it really was dismissive, she shouldn’t have deleted the tweet. Besides, Phill broke it off by saying that he’ll block her before this gets any bigger. And surprise surprise it did.
The tweet she sent afterwards is pretty much why I can’t condone her actions. She could have chosen not to tweet because Phill pretty much left her alone. And because they are friends they could have waited for a day or so and then try to talk it out in private like friends would. But instead she posted a tweet that pretty much shifts the blame to Phill. That’s some odd friendship they have there. She posted the troops on her. And Phill did the same afterwards.
This article is quite biased.
By posting this in a public setting, Laci was looking for people to support her and be outraged with her. Namely, she wanted an audience. Instead, she got someone who made a joke (which seemed totally innocent). If she wanted to handle it more professionally, she should have done so privately with an email to Amtrak. Her responses to Phil were an overreaction to a situation that probably wasn’t handled appropriately from the get go.
I’m so sick of people excusing bad behavior or bullying as joking.
When you write articles don’t make them so one sided. Both were wrong, Phil shouldn’t have got in it, and Laci did overact when he was clearly playing around.
I think Laci took Phil’s joke as something more serious than it was and that’s easy to do when just reading text. BUT, from then on, I think Phil was acting immature and, frankly, misogynistic and antifeminist by pulling out the whole “man against woman” thing in a rude, sarcastic way and by telling Laci that she’s always trying to start fights. Laci is a female activist and is very active on her social media platform for that reason. She’s not trying to start a irrational war, she’s trying to right social wrongs, using her fame as a tool. I think Phil views that negatively because he pretty much remains neutral on stuff to remain popular. Sure, he’ll share an option, but he won’t really do anything with it (which, in my opinion, is irresponsible considering the power he has). I’m extremely disappointed in how Phil handled this. I agree that they both contributed to the scuffle, but he was in the wrong (in my opinion). I have been a fan of Phil’s for 5 years and of Laci’s for a little over a year, but I think I am going to ween off of Phil’s content. I’m just really disappointed in how hot headed he appeared (also I’m upset about how he reported the Sam Pepper situation so neutrally). Ugh. It really sucks to lose interest in your heroes.
He reported the Sam Pepper situation neutrally because that is how journalism should be. He has his own opinion and clearly differentiates between when he states a fact and when he states his own opinion because he wants to inform people, not present them some biased point of view.
Personally, I think that Phill’s joke was ill worded. But they’re friends. If this kind of thing happens because you are friends I personally wonder what Laci Green’s enemies look like. She deleted the joke in question which is odd. If it really was dismissive, she shouldn’t have deleted the tweet. Besides, Phill broke it off by saying that he’ll block her before this gets any bigger. And surprise surprise it did.
The tweet she sent afterwards is pretty much why I can’t condone her actions. She could have chosen not to tweet because Phill pretty much left her alone. And because they are friends they could have waited for a day or so and then try to talk it out in private like friends would. But instead she posted a tweet that pretty much shifts the blame to Phill. That’s some odd friendship they have there.
This article is quite biased.
Oh come on, calling him a journalist is an insult to the field. And he stays neutral on topics when it’s convenient, and otherwise has no issue taking sides. I was a fan of his before this incident and didn’t know who Laci Green is; now I’m done with him.
It wasn’t a big deal until now. If this were a conversation in person, it’d be squashed already. People just love to feast on this trivial Twitter “drama”.
He didn’t butt in. He just replied to Laci in a joking way. Had he replied to Amtrak as well, then sure, you would call that butting in. And in a way, yes she did call for troops/put him on blast by making an entirely separate tweet talking about how he “wronged” her. Had she replied to JUST him about her frustrations half of her followers wouldn’t haven’t seen it and it would have remained an issue between the two of them. As it should have. Also why did an entire article need to be written about this? Aren’t there more pressing “news” topics?
“Aren’t there more pressing “news” topics?”
We have a lot of other articles that have gone up today (and more to come), and we’d love to have you read them!
This site is clearly just garbage journalism. Type Laci Green into Google and all you see is Laci herself and this site promoting her.
He replied in a joking way but when Laci didnt understand (and just said very calmly that she felt her concerns were being minimized) he started shouting “OH BECAUSE IM A MAN AND YOURE A WOMAN? YOURE PLAYING THE VICTIM EVERYTHINGS A WAR WITH YOU” instead of apologizing or explaining. It seemed like personal anger.
Ahhh the internets home to many misunderstandings. Perhaps Phil is having a bad day, but this is Phil none the less. As for Lacy’s issue I’m sure it has to do with a block on all words related to sex. She’s probably got a lot of content blocked on Tumblr as well. I think in cases like this certain locations need to offer a re-peal so the coding can get updated so that certain sites that are education based and not porn based can have access in public as well. As for Phil’s blocks I feel as though that’s the same way for him, but I doubt he’s tried much on it. Overall nice job to both of them for calling up the troops on each other.
Removing posts and blocking users from commenting on Facebook. REAL NICE NMR ! And you wonder why people tend to shit on activists like you. That’s called media manipulation and censorship you f*cking dickheads.
So yeah, former SourceFed employes writing a bad article about PhillyD ? Looks like someone’s “butthurt”.
Rachel Kiley is not a former SourceFed employee. Sara and I recused ourselves and stayed out of the article.
We also posted the disclaimer for just this reason. We didn’t have to, but we did.
But thanks for playing.
crying about people blocking other people’s stuff. and what do you do Logan Rapp ? you delete and block people from commenting. Go and search for the word hypocrisy please.
I think it was a very good idea for you to post that disclaimer, it might not have been necessary but it’s also good to open about these things. Rachel Kiley did a good job with this article.
Not going to lie that’s weird I know Sourcefed readers didn’t like Sara P. (sorry girl) that much, but I didn’t know she wasn’t with Sourcefed anymore :O. On the plus thanks for bringing back the commenting guys that was driving me nuts for a while. I don’t understand this new blogging thing where blogs are taking off their commenting sections, but I see it mainly with tech based blogs.
We shut it down for a spell as we started hiring up for this new phase of NMR. I didn’t want the floodgates to come in until we were fully staffed.
I’m glad you enjoy it, though! We’ll be making tweaks as time goes on, but we’ll be sticking with Disqus for the foreseeable future.
Awesome. Yes Disqus or Facebook comments seem to be the ones that work the best for most websites. Now if only Gawker would give up on Kinja already and switch out. Glad to see you guys are getting it straightened out. I get a bit sick of Tubefilter as being the only other new media source for news.
The bias in the article is strong though….
From what I can tell from the few Amtrak rides I’ve taken, they use a standard-issue “blocklist” like what is found in your average church, corporate network, or school.
The blocklist is a non-issue, as other posters have mentioned – many children ride Amtrak (solo, w/parents/grandparents).
I don’t really care about the block thing and I’ve seen people who disagree with Laci have good arguments (right below in this comment section there are some good arguments against it) But to me he kind of seemed like an ass after he said the man vs woman thing which was totally unrelated and then started saying everything was a war with her etc, which seems like a personal attack, when he could’ve just discussed why he disagreed with her, I’ve seen commenters on both of them discussing why they disagreed with her point of view a lot more civilly, why couldn’t he do that? He could learn from a few commenters below.
So she didn’t like his humour. She didn’t attack him personally like he did though.
Not that this article is extremely biased in favor of Laci or anything….
Just read the first line! Seriously referring her as Motherfuckin boss Laci just shows how biased this writer really is and how of course Phil wasn’t going to be shown in a positive light. But that’s none of my business
He’d be shown in a positive light if he didn’t act like a child.
Very classy journalism right here.
Calling something what it is without unnecessary profanity or personal attacks is the antithesis of classy just because you disagree with it? Nope, sorry, ain’t the case. However, I never claimed and will never claim to be classy. Fuck that.
So anti-conformist of you. How novel.
You know, it’s really off-putting seeing a journalist (term loosely used) being so unabashedly reamed by commenters on this thread and the common retort being ad hominems an tail-between-the-legs retreat comments
Well that’s not shocking Phil has burned his fair share of bridges. I think this just got taken out of control and neither should really care either way. However, Phil has some interesting habits when it comes to his fights with other tubers. I’m pretty sure when he found out Melanie Iglesias was signed with Maker he stopped promoting her, but regardless his content is still good and he tries. I think it’s hard for any tuber to be honest and nice all the time and I don’t watch Laci so I can’t speak on her that much, but I’m sure she’s overstepped a time or two as well. It just sounds like maybe she was a bit over emotional during this particular exchange. This is why I think we really do need a sarcasm font.
Sorry. Phil aside… Laci made a big deal out of nothing. First off, Amtrak is a privately owned company. They can block content that they don’t wish to have passengers looking at. Their filters block sex, Laci’s channel was flagged under that. There’s no problem with that. They are clearly trying to avoid others from watching porn or inappropriate content out in public in front of kids possibly. This whole thing was ridiculous. And as a Laci fan I feel let down by her crusade against a company for blocking something with a logical reasoning. She went on a tirade about it like a child. And when Phil was clearly joking, took it to another level about censorship blah blah. She just came off at such a whiner to me. I bet there are other people who can’t access things they need on the train and they don’t resort to Twitter berating the company and basically calling them prudish censor nazi’s.
And to add… Although Laci’s is sex positive education… I don’t think a child next to a passenger needs to see dildos, “anal sex tips”, and vagina/penis diagrams while traveling.
Exactly! That’s why I think it was all a big deal over nothing. Because in my opinion Amtrak are perfectly right to block that kind of material. It doesn’t mean that the company is likening her work to porn as she stated, it just means that in that kind of environment any child could happen to look across and see something like you described, and Amtrak have a duty to prevent it.
It just means they have a mass block on like Tumblr does. It doesn’t mean they want or meant to block her channel. She’s in her right to inquire about it, but overall it’s not a huge deal because they obviously weren’t just blocking her for talking about sex and such.
And they won’t if they don’t search for her content but besides from that children should be monitor if they are on youtube anyways.
They are on a train though. They could look across and see somebody else on it if they aren’t on it themselves. So I think Amtrak are right to block it.
Either way, this article isn’t debating that, it’s talking about Phillip DeFranco butting in with jokes when it wasn’t necessary.
Well I was debating your comment which wasn’t about that. However I agree he could have handled it better. He could have said what Jordy and Add On said about why it was likely blocked, and explained that she’s wrong to take it how she did (because she was acting like someone had declared war). However I completely get where Phil is coming from. I follow them both on Twitter (I only know of Laci’s existence thanks to her appearing on Phil’s SourceFed channel) and when I saw it all start I just thought it was a bit of friendly banter, then it all got blown out of proportion.
And that was the problem. The discussion between Laci Green and Amtrak should have stayed between Laci Green and Amtrak.
It’s Twitter. To pretend like she didn’t have other more private options of addressing Amtrak is just stupid and she was clearly looking for an audience.. well, guess what? Twitter is an open forum and all two cents is welcomed. As usual, Laci Green tried to make herself the victim and it backfired because Phil is quite aware of her theatrics
which is DEFINITELY why she decided to send a MASS TWEET to Amtrak instead of… I don’t know… Engaging their customer service directly?
Not about children needing to be monitored with what they’re doing (which yes they do). They have eyes and can look over to the person next to them and see what’s being viewed.
And that’s a legitimate argument for Amtrak to make in blocking Laci Green’s content. That’s why the sidetrack from Philip DeFranco was so pointless. It distracted from a more legitimate debate.
Exactly. The much better point to be made there is that that’s NOT what “censorship” means. Honestly she comes off as a spoiled brat demanding a company enables access to her content on their private network. They owe her nothing.
I’d argue she has a VERY narrow application of “positive” in her sex ed.
Amtrak is an incorporated company but is funded and majority owned by the U.S. government. That gives Laci Green (and the rest of us for that matter) more of a stake in how Amtrak is operated.
I didn’t even realize that. That’s a heck of a point.
We’re still looking into it, because that was, you know, what we wanted to look at before the aforementioned derailment.
Not really.
Libraries are publicly funded. How does that make me entitled to, say, force them to show sexual content on their network?
yeah, i get you, but the point of all of this is that phil literally put his nose where he had no business in just to what? he didn’t contribute to the entire thing at all, just made it worse. laci asked amtrak a question and he sorta just jumped in on the bandwagon and made a bigger deal of the whole thing. and then he went all defensive like she personally attacked him, while it was completely the other way round.
Sex education and porn are completely different. I think Amtrak probably has a mass block on meaning even innocent channels mentioning sex should be blocked as well. Overall she’s with in her right to ask them though I hope she asked them via email before calling it on Twitter. I think if they review her channel and website they may decide to un block her. You can’t say they have a right to just block her when you don’t know their blocking system in place they may very well decide that she’s with in her right to have her channel unblocked.
No, they don’t. THEY are giving YOU internet, and THEY block content. THEY can decide what you can and can’t use THEIR access to watch. They could just remove the internet access completely and nobody would be able to complain.
Except you’re forgetting that the cost of internet is factored into pricing. So if they want to offer different levels of tickets in order to access internet they could. Remember most service providers are charging a fee for service so it’s really not their internet if it requires the service provider to charge a fee for using it. I’m pretty sure it’s the same on most airlines as well.
>>Except you’re forgetting that the cost of internet is factored into pricing. So if they want to offer different levels of tickets in order to access internet they could.
Any and all “complimentary” internet access use is subject to several conditions you accepted when you checked the box that said “I accept these conditions”. Dig around the terms of service and you find a clause that prohibits certain types of content, as defined by the service provider — in this case, Amtrak –, and by logging in you agreed to them.
TL;DR — you’re accessing a complimentary internet connection subject to conditions you agreed to, and you’re now complaining about the conditions.
I’ve been on Amtrak before. The terms of service don’t go over internet limitations. It’s still a service provided because they had a demand for it. Same with airplanes adding it and having you pay for it. I’ve never been restricted on a plan except for the speed issues as well. I’m just saying maybe they need to double check their protocols for what they are blocking. I get blocking PornHub, but they can’t be blocking all sites about sex or they’d probably be blocking WebMD as well. Her site isn’t malicious. But also why is this argument still going on? People need to seriously get over it. I’m sure she can access her site fine now on Amtrak and sometimes the easiest way to get it sorted is to contact them over social media.
Yeah, you’re lying.
3 seconds of Gooling:
“In addition, this network restricts access to web sites with objectionable content.”
They own the wifi network. Therefore, they decide what is objectionable content. They deemed hers objectionable. Which is reasonable, because there’s a strong PR pressure to make such a network “family friendly” and naturally they’d block certain sexually explicit keywords. Many of Laci’s videos have such keywords.
At the end of the day it’s a private network and the admin can make any decisions he so chooses. Calling it “censorship” is moronic. Censorship is when government, by decree, prohibits you from expressing your opinion and/or punishes you for it. You’re not entitled to free speech on someone’s private wifi network.
The end.
“The terms of service don’t go over internet limitations”
Look again. From the Amtrak website:
In addition, this network restricts access to web sites with objectionable content.
(Are my comments being deleted…? Well, if so that IS ironic)
People are *also* forgetting that she outright says they are friends and yet still couldn’t help herself.
I think it says more about her than people are prepared to entertain.
If she can manufacture a misunderstanding like that with a friend….
I mean, my casual acquaintances outright mock me with some “nasty” stuff, and my response is to laugh, because I know them and why would they *want* to offend me? My real friends get to be outright *evil* too :3
Well Phil was being a jerk and contributing literally nothing to an issue between Laci and Amtrak. Friends don’t let friends be assholes to them. She didn’t manufacture a misunderstanding. She was politely dealing with the issue with Amtrak and then Phil decides to jump into a conversation he has no part in, and like Laci says, minimized her issue by implying that she thinks Amtrak is ‘out to get’ her. Most of his comments were an attack on her character. Laci’s replies to him were civil and called into question his quite questionable (well mostly stupid) actions. As a Philly D fan it’s all very disappointing.
Except this requires an assumption of ill intent from Phil.
I don’t particularly like Phil 😛
I’ll take Will, Joe, Steve even Elliot and definitely any of the sourcefed ladies, over Phil.
BUT her INSTANT reaction was passive aggressive and accusatory.
Her friend is stirring some shit with her: laugh about it. Make a joke at his expense. Ignore him.
Don’t engage in a negative way, and don’t make it explode.
I think this blew up for no reason he was joking as phil always does and it seems like the fact that laci didn’t acknowledge that in her reply made it look like phil was being Rude which wasn’t his intention it was merely teasing humor
There was no reason for Phil to get involved in this, he got involved just to make jokes at an issue that was important to Laci. It was incredibly rude and not necessary.
The issue is something so minuscule that it’s offensive. She’s going to be overdramatic and rude to Amtrak because she can’t work on her sites for a few hours. There are way more important issues out there then this and she cried like a victim of some horrible indecency.
And she was having a discussion with them, I’m not talking about that discussion, I’m talking about Phil butting in to make jokes at her expense.
I don’t believe that to be his intensions at first. He was joking with the “out to get you” part. It exceeding when Laci didn’t fight back with a little humility.
I have no idea about his intentions, I just know he made jokes that were rude and wasn’t necessary. Anyways I’ll stop here, I shared my view. 🙂 Thanks for the discussion. Again I will say, good article Rachel Kiley.
He’s playing into the misogynistic “lol yer being a hysterical woman” trope, which, yes, may have been intended to be a joke, but is a harmful perpetuation. And once she called him on that, he should have acknowledged that he fucked up and backed down, rather than choosing to escalate the situation repeatedly.
Exactly, he might have meant it as a joke but even joking about it itself is harmful. It wasn’t necessary and yes he should have backed down and apologized.
And you making jokes about ‘x guy makes me like misandry’ on twitter, enforcing binary oppositions with childish moral insight makes you so drastically different than your perception of him that you are qualified by your reputation alone to criticize someone for their social media faux pas? Also, haven’t you repeatedly supported the freedom of different ideas? Aren’t you committing some logical fallacies? Is it possible that perhaps your journalism should consist of more than opinions of facts? Maybe if you did a little more research you might break your shallow ethical insights. Heck, maybe there’s more to this story. Nah, can’t be. ‘Sexist guy is sexist’. Conceptual analysis is hard though. Again, it’s tots cool for you to make jokes at the expense of men, dismissing their struggle, reinforcing the myriad misandry tropes, but when a guy does it its all foolish moral outrage in the place of good writing.
Unfortunately, simply using big words doesn’t make your points accurate. Supporting “freedom of different ideas” does not give people a pass for furthering things that further long-standing inequalities. Though if you’re comparing “jokes” that, again, play into tropes that have historically contributed to oppressing certain groups vs jokes that are at the expense of the highly unoppressed (aka white dudes), you have issue with societal context. But thank you for playing! Enjoy your MRA meetings!
Not an MRA, Nice try. My points are accurate. Big words don’t equate fallacious just because your availability heuristics tell you so. Using the same tactics you criticized phil for using is pretty sorry though. My arguments have no issues with societal context. Seems yours do. Laci isn’t an oppressed minority. I’m disabled, however, so I know a thing or two about real oppression. I wasn’t comparing anything, I was stating a fact. Your arguments are weak and foolish. That you have a job writing says a lot about this website. Enjoy being ornery and recognizing only the struggle of your fellow western women without even the most basic understanding of the underlying issues!
Rachel thinks Phil is a child reinforcing damaging misogynistic tropes because: he took nonverbal cues from some statements a femninist made in rebuttal to a joke he made and offered the statement: yes, I’m oppressing you because I’m a man.
commenter with good arguments is labelled an MRA and blatantly downplays the importance of equality across the genders.
Yeah, you’re a fool.
You might not be MRA, but you sound like it. Guess what? When Phil says something like “Everyone’s always out to get you, Laci,” clearly mocking her, he’s in the wrong. And you defending him means you agree.
She wasn’t being rude to Amtrak and to be fair sometimes that’s the only way you get a response from companies. After 2 weeks of trying to contact Honda in a civilized manner I had to contact them over social media and FINALLY got a call back from the appropriate people. It’s just sad some businesses have to get called out publicly in order to respond to individuals. Though I don’t think she was being rude to Amtrak at all.
It was Twitter. If it were so important, why not message them privately? No, she wanted all eyes on her and her problems and Phil chimed in. Next time pick up the phone or DM
I’m a fan of Phil and even I have to agree. When someone has a serious grievance (hers was stupid for reasons I’ve already explained in this thread, but it’s serious to her anyway), coming in out of left field with jokes isn’t the nicest thing to do.
Phil acting like a typical male asshat who got his ego bruised when Laci didn’t think his “jokes” were funny. Laci’s videos are incredibly important, educational, and informative, so her being blocked because of something as stupid as “adult content” is ridiculous. Phil’s videos on the other hand, are not important, educational, or informative, so him being blocked doesn’t hurt anyone. And it’s funny that Phil tried to accuse Laci of playing the victim when that was literally what he tried to do after he tried to minimize Laci’s concerns. “You didn’t find my dumb jokes funny, well you’re a big meany and you’re being mean to me!”
Typical asshat or typical male asshat? Could you clarify please? It sort of sounds like you’re calling all males asshats.
male and typical are both words describing asshat. Asshat is the word being described. They’re obviously specifying out of all asshats in the world, this is how male asshats specifically behave. don’t try to turn this into a “NOT ALL MEN” kind of thing
I’m not haha! I wasn’t clear, that’s why I asked for clarification.
Gotcha. Good to know. We certainly don’t need to be derailed on an article about derailment!
more of a typical female asshat unable to take a grounded approach to an argument
Yes… its definitely because PHIL takes himself so much more seriously than she does. smh
Thank you for writing this article Rachel Kiley, I watched this play out this afternoon on my twitter feed and it made me sick. I know by now I shouldn’t be surprised but sometimes I still am by how some people can be complete idiots. There was no reason for Phillip DeFranco to get involved in that but of course he did all the while dismissing Laci Green.
He didn’t dismiss her at all. They are friends… or were friends. She acred like a total brat and couldn’t take a joke. And then she deleted the tweet that was the joke in the first place how is that not shady. In all honesty I like her and him. They both are good role models but she took her frustrations out on him and was totally out of line. He did the right thing and stopped it before it got super out of hand and now they are trying to make it a huge deal.
And he was right. I am not saying that her vids should be blocked but I am pretty sure they are a private company and can blblock whoever they want and it’s probably certain keywords that are blocked not her specifically. Now these asses are trying to make something bigger and acting like she was in the right. She wasnt. At all.
And right now it seems like everyone women is on the super defensive and can’t take a joke. She needed to chill. AND now phil is paying the price for it.
she could of at least had the conversation with amtrack in private. It seems she’s oblivious to the fact that she has power in numbers or she deliberately tweeted about it for that reason
She had every right to ask Amtrak publicly and/or call them out.
Please, please, PLEASE explain how she acted like a brat? She calmly responded to him. He then started to CLEARLY attack her in a non-joking way. When she further responded, HE BLOCKED HER. But she’s the brat? You’re letting your biases cloud your judgment.
It “made you sick”? Yup… total Laci Green fan, you are. The art of the hyperbole is not lost on this bunch… that and the whore borderline kabuki make-up
“Whore borderline kabuki make-up” hyperbole much? P.S. I have no idea who Laci Green is.
And I have no idea who you are or why you’re replying to me. Go away now.